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 AnonymousScience vs God makes for a good marketing pitch/$$$. Philosophers have long since put science in it's place ... it can only explain the materialistic part of the universe since it ASSUMES that there is ONLY a materialistic universe. Bee Gonzalesand i believe science proves gods non existance A AnonymousAs long as the human being cannot create "a" universe, it is God who created it. The human being can analyze many things that God created, but cannot create anything. Anything a human being does, it's with what God created. Go ahead, create a baby from nothing with your hands...... There is a global tendency from a "certain" group to mve God aside. Why? What is wrong with believing in God??? Well, it is understandable that those who want to be unfair may hate God.... It is understandable that those who want to commit crime may hate God... It is understandable that those who want to eliminate justice may hate God... Scientology for example purges people from all believes, including the believe in God, as could be understood from articles on the internet... If the non-powerfull does not hold on to the Word of God, there will be great turbulence most probably... Think think think... It is through the discovery of God that justice came to being… Scott WellsIt's very wrong to believe in something that doesn't exist, because when you have false beliefs, it causes you to make false assumptions and inhibits your ability to make good decisions. Belief in an imaginary friend who is going to help you out makes you not work hard enough to help yourself. The argument that you make about non-belief in a god eliminating justice and causing crime is just plain ludicrous. Morality is doing what is right regardless of what you are told. Religion is doing what you are told regardless of what is right. Belief in gods has caused more injustice and bloodshed in the world than any other cause. You don't see atheists going around committing crimes because they have deluded themselves into believing that an imaginary friend told them it's right... A AnonymousHa! You state: "You don't see atheists going around committing crimes because they have deluded themselves into believing that an imaginary friend told them it's right..." HA! YOU have an imaginary friend!!! B Bruce BaldwinYou: As long as the human being cannot create "a" universe, it is God who created it? Me: The absence of logic in this statement is just plain stupid. How is the human capacity to actually create a universe required before we can claim to understanding how it came to be without a god? We cannot creat volcanoes yet we now understand how volcanoes work and we now know there is no such thing as a volcano god causing the eruptions - as was once believed by primitive humans with a primitive religion that worshipped a volcano god. We know how to travel to Mars but have not yet done so. In fact humans almost always have to understand something before they can do it themselves and even then they may not have all the resources and materials at hand to actually do it (even if they understand it). Please get a brain. A AnonymousThe power that created it, the power that we will never understand is the power of God that is above everything...sooo easy to understand! As logic as 2+2=4. Yes primitive people were in search of God also. The pharao's thought the sun was God. But at least they knew there is a power much higher then their understanding capacity. There are so many christian/catholic scientists my friend. Not all scientists are primitive atheists. In fact, at the Vatican there is an observatory from which NASA requests info.... A AnonymousYour wrong,science says that everyone evolved from primates right?Well if we did there wouldn't be any monkeys anymore would there?Also if we did evolve from primates who do you think put them on the earth?God did. A AnonymousIts God with a capitol G.And who put humans on earth, and i can tell you a bunch of lying scientists that make up fake things on how the world was made didn't put us here.It was God that put us here.Did scientists make the sun?NO.Did they make the moon?NO.Do they make anything besides machines?NO.All they make is machines.They didn't make the earth,not the universe,not the planets or anything no just machines to tell them what they want to see.scientists don't want people to believe that a great supernatural being put us hear.its like people say seeing isn't believing,believing is seeing. B Lance OrtmannScience and God have to be exclusive of each other because one is rational,tangable,and can be understood.The other is based on fear,faith(imagination),and a book written 1600 years ago. A AnonymousIf I would come to you right now and give you a punch on your face; what would you do? If I would have been on the street during the years of Jesus Christ and gave any man on the street a punch in his face; what do you think would have happened? Is the Bible out dated? No. Because until today we remain human beings created with the same human nature by God. Get the point? Science, the word of man goes with the wind, but the Word of God reamins (is valid)forever. AnonymousYour point is silly. It shows that you have neither an understanding of science or human nature. Your god doesn't exist and never has, and your holy book was written by uneducated goat herders. Get over it. A AnonymousYou have an understanding of science??? Science tries to understand God's creation, but can't. Science can't even explain gravity "G"... Scientists know it's there but that's it. They came with theories but no facts for explanation... Can scientists make bold people get a head full of hair again? Can scientists cure alzheimer? Can scientists see the end or the beginning of "the" universe? But you know, thaks to religion, f.e. that adultery is bad, that you will harm others by committing adultery... Don't you get the point? Without religion, without God you will be like a baby left in a basket on a desert island... Scott WellsYou say SCIENTISTS are full of themselves? You talking about an imaginary friend that you have no solid evidence to demonstrate the existence of, yet you are positively affirming that this imaginary being created everything, with no evidence to back that assertion up. The burden of proof is on the person who makes the outlandish claim... A Rick CohenScott, as a family name Cohen we are descendants of Aron of the old testament. There is proof of that. Jesus Christ lived during the time of Tiberius Nero, who I assume you know through history. Search for Nero's story and you'll find what you might be looking for. Tunde ChrisTheir is no cause for me to doubt that God created the universe. am A science student, I believed in Genesis 1:1-28 B Anonymousa science student? are your major classes after PE and recess? hahaha! AnonymousHebrews 3:4 "Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but he that constructed all things is God." B AnonymousI Personnaly Think That God Was Made By Man-Not the Opposite- To Have a feeling of Security, What About The Theory of Evolution B Courtney CullenSo you believe that people lived to be 900 years old, had sex with their mother, sisters, father??? Ew A Dale WickizerIf people resulted from slime + time + chance, like you propose, who do you think they bred with after they crawled out of the swamp? B Scott HagerThis is the problem with thinking about it from the Biblical prospective. In the Bible it starts off with two humans, where evolution does not. A Dale WickizerOk, in evolution, please explain how it starts off. Please explain to me how even in animal husbandry today, we cannot create new species. If we breed a horse with a donkey, we get a mule, but those cannot reproduce. We can get different breeds of dogs, but they are still dogs. Everything remains according to its "kind", just like that pesky Bible says. Since 1859, we have had explosive growth in the fossil record which provides no evidence for transitional forms. Darwin himself said to expect a wealth of such information in the fossil record (which was very limited during his time), or his theory would break down (his words). The Theory of Evolution has been proven in both the fossil record and in microbiology to be wrong. A growing number non-Christian scientists and mathematicians have openly stated that this theory is garbage and represents one of greatest delusions of modern history. The scientific community has had the wool pulled over its eyes, as have you. Have you ever wondered why those who stubbornly cling to it, still only call it a theory? If it is TRUE, why isn't it the Law of Evolution? They stubbornly cling to this as a belief system alone, bereft of evidence, because the moral implications of Intelligent Design by a transcendent being are too great for them. B Scott HagerSpecies do not evolve in a single generation. It's a gradual process over many generations usually. At a point when the same species splits and starts living in two separate environments, or even the same but separated from the other population, they split off from each other. And as for all the different dog breeds... they could be considered sub species. Just like we are primates. No good scientist says the theory is garbage. Sorry. You really need to learn the difference between Laws, Theories, and Hypothesis. Why is there a "Law" of gravity, yet the "Theory" of gravity still exist? Probably because they explain two different things. Let me help... http://wilstar.com/theories.htm A Dale WickizerNice fairy tale, except the fossil record fails to show any scientific evidence for transition from one species to the other. Science also fails to show why the Cambrian explosion happened. First nothing, then (to quote John Madden), "boom" all sorts of life. B Scott Hagerhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_fossils B Scott HagerSince you are an engineer, you should understand the importance of scale better than the general population. The "Cambrian explosion" is believed to have happened over a period of 70-80 "million" years. It's only an "explosion" in evolutionary time scale. Not ours. lol B Bruce BaldwinEvolution in all probability began with the spontaneous electro-chemical generation of organic molecules in the primordial earth's atmosphere and oceans (already shown in the lab). These molecules randomly combined until a replicable form of RNA spontaneously assembled itself through chemical reactions (the chemistry for most of which has been worked out in the laboratory: search Scientific American for spontaneous formation of RNA). Once molecules could reproduce themselves the stage was set for non-random natural selection to inexorably shape life in earth's life sustaining environment. Your "kinds" argument against evolution has been conclusively disproven by the discovery of literally hundreds of confirmed transitional evolutionary life forms that progressively span between related species in the fossils of deep ocean sedimentary columns (see Evolution, What the Fossils Say and Why it Matters by Donald Prothero). The denial of transitional forms is now proven by hard evidence to simply be a creationist lie. The implication that a growing number of biological scientists who study fossils and evolution have stated that Darwin's theory is garbage, is an outrageous creationist distortion of fact. Your list of "scientists" against evolution suspiciously lacks the name of even one the world's tens of thousands of credentialed field biologists (biologists who study fossils). I wonder why? The Theory of Evolution like Newton's Theory of Gravitation and Einstein's Theory of Relativity is like all of science, subject to refinement, revision, or replacement through scientific evidence and discovery (not through religious faith) that's why all the grand theories of science are called theories, no mattrer how "settled" they are. Until the religious have the scientific evidence that falsifies evolution (to date they have none) they have absolutely no right to claim a theory as powerful and as solidly confirmed by scientific evidence as Evolution is garbage. Claiming Darwin's theory is garbage without the evidence to do so and on the basis of willful ignorance is what is actually garbage. A Ivette ScherrWell put! Bravo! B Francis Conoleyyou are correct Jaclyn Lepirdwell...yeah he does. If he truly believes in GOD and the BIBLE. If you've ever read the bible thats what its says, and those are GODS words. so....YEAH! Bee Gonzalesyea but god didnt write the bible many men did supposibly Anonymous2Peter 1:20,21 "For you know this first, that no prophecy of Scripture springs from any private interpretation. For prophecy was at no time brought by man's will, but men spoke from God as they were borne along by holy spirit". 2 Timothy 3:16 "All Scripture is inspired of God" B Lance Ortmannthe bible as it is was written a little less than 1600 years ago,not 2000 as most christians want people to believe.The Roman Emperor Constantine had it comissioned tho bring his empire under one religion,of which he never converted to himself.The only reason christianity is prevelent in the west is because of the Roman empire.The father on the show tonight said that Hawking made oversights in logic.Logic and religion don't mix,one is rational and the other is based on faith(imagination).Science will never win because people are stupid and would rather believe in a God(or Santa,or the Easter bunny)than look at logic and be rational. B AnonymousVery True A Dale WickizerActually, that's not true at all. The Bible is made of the New Testament (27 books) and the Old Testament (39 books). As with ALL ancient works, none of the originals exist. There are only handwritten copies called manuscripts. The NT alone has orders of magnitude more copies than any ancient work (over 20,000). The earliest fragments go back to within 125 AD (with a few years of the death of the Apostle John). For the OT, the Dead Sea Scrolls can all or parts of the books of the OT, including the entire book of Isaiah. These scrolls date back as early as 200 BC, within 200 years of the book of Malachi. So, obviously the originals from which they were copied had to have been written earlier. B Bekah PriceI wonder if you're familiar with this actual biblical Historian? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Trt1ZWR5PqQ A Anonymouswho do you think told them to wright it Dr. Suess?No God told them to wright it so it could be used in how we do things today. A Anonymouswho do you think told them to wright it Dr. Suess?No God told them to wright it so it could be used in how we do things today. AnonymousBelief is one thing, reason is another. The reasons in favour of a God (cosmological, moral, desing, ontological) seem persuasive for me. A Michael Shane SoferSome of us believe and according to Jewish beliefs, see the original creation is but a prototype to what we anticipate in its full form to be the REGENERATION OF CREATION as it is looked forward to each year at this very time called the month of Tishrei. While many see creationism as a failed prototype, only awaiting to leave it for an ethereal place called Heaven, we do not. We believe that all the Eternal One is, that we can not see, is expressed to us in that which we are given to see in the creation. In other words the creation is just as infinite as the Almighty Himself with no beginning or end. The Final cap to the creation is The Almighty that will be expressed in the Promised One, we call the Messiah! In scientific terms, His coming, is called CONVERGENCE, the same scientific theory that brings forth procreation of anything. Follow up to this profound Issue: Jerusalem2010.com Sincerely, GREAT PRINCE MICHAEL of (Daniel 12:1) Jose MoralesWasn't god an explanation for thunder and rain and good crops? We must finally kill the idea of supernatural beings creating and controlling the universe and enjoy its wonders in our brief passage through it. AnonymousDon't worry, you'll evolve unitl you believe in God ... eventually. B Scott HagerWe evolved the belief in gods, tens of thousands of years ago(min). It's out lived it's usefulness. B AnonymousFor your Information, Evolution Is Considered By Religous Leaders as Incorrect, i Believe in Science A Anonymousand what is that supposed to mean? A Anonymousand what is that supposed to mean? A Dale WickizerWithout the existence of God (the moral law giver), there is no objective standard for good/evil (moral law). without God, who sets the standard?; however, we know objective moral standards exist. We know there are things that are evil, such as the taking of innocent human life; therefore, God exists. QED. B Scott HagerObjective morals exist without a creator. Cooperation within a species makes life easier all around for all involved. Even "souless" animals(lol) have pack/herd mentality, and pack rules. A Dale WickizerI do agree with you that objective morals exist. However, I don't agree that the source of those objective morals is "cooperation within a species". In fact, within the human species, where do you see consistent cooperation. In some cultures they love their neighbors. In other cultures they eat them. In fact, what other species besides man exhibit objective morals? Does the lion seek forgiveness when it takes down the baby zebra? By same token, does the alpha lion regret stealing a kill from another less dominate one? No, things such as rule of law, attempting to hold members to a higher standard, is unique to the human species. As part being in the image of God, we have a conscience which convicts us when we do something we know to be wrong. We feel guilty because we are guilty. The question is, what do we do with that guilt? To whom do we turn? If man is the standard for these moral values, if man is not accountable to a higher being, we are in serious trouble, because as has been seen throughout history, man's approach is that might makes right. We have seen this in the misapplication of Christianity during the inquisition (they were not acting according to Christ's teachings). We saw this in the crusades, which was a reaction to the bloodshed initiated by Islam as they began spreading their religion by the sword (they WERE acting according to the teaching of Mohammed and the Qu'ran). We have seen this in atheistic philosophies in Nazi Germany, communist china and russia, which claimed the lives of over 130 million people in the 20th century alone. The human heart has the capacity for both good and evil, but is inclined naturally toward the latter. B Scott HagerA zebra is not within the lion species. Why should he need forgiven? Do you need to be forgiven for slaughtering and eating cows, fish, pigs, chickens, etc....? Do you feel guilty every time you eat another living being? Does a boss at your work regret making more money than you? And do you actually believe morals come from your holy book? Please name one moral standard that man couldn't have come up with on his own? The Nazi's were Christians. lol What did it say on their belt buckles. Hell, what did Hitler himself say repeatedly? ughhhhhh A Dale WickizerI actually don't feel the need for forgiveness for eating other species, as within the Biblical worldview that is acceptable. The discussion was about objective moral values (that is, things being good or evil, right or wrong, regardless of our opinions), exist but did not come about as a result of "cooperation within a species". By the way, you are incorrect in your assessment of Hitler and the Nazis. Hitler was a student of Nietzsche and Marx, both atheistic materialists. He is a classic example of a person not accountable to God who defined his own right and wrong. His higher value was the creation of the "super man" according to Nietzsche's writings and the extermination of what he deemed to be inferior races, such as the Jews. His "final solution" was his attempt to eliminate the last reminder of God, by eliminating God's chosen people. Go back and read your history. B Scott HagerI was only answering your examples. Show me how they act different while having no holy book? And you still haven't named one that man couldn't have come up with on his own. On their belt, it said in German..."God with us". "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord." A Dale WickizerWell I thought I did give a very simple example earlier when I said that in some cultures they love their neighbor and in other cultures they eat them. You might be right about what was written on their belt. I will check into that. However, that slogan probably means as much as the "in God We Trust" slogan written on our money. As you can clearly see in our nation, a growing number certainly do not trust in God. Our nation has turned its back on God. (Woe to us!) However, despite what the buckles said, history as clearly shown that Hitler was an atheist. The sad thing in my opinion, to the shame of Christianity is that the majority of German Christians did nothing, making me question whether they were really Christians or not. There were many notable exceptions, though, such as Dietrich Bonhoefer. B Scott HagerFirst, how many actual, people eating cannables are there in the world today? Second, why did they do that in the first place? Because it is their religion. They believe in delusional magic too. lol, not a good example. A Dale WickizerIf one defines "religion" as a system of beliefs, then atheist is a religion. It is a religion without a deity. In fact, secular humanism, which has atheism at its core, defines itself as a religion in the Humanist Manifesto documents. So that would make you "religious". I think religion has little to do with this discussion. What I am talking about is human nature and the problems of using man as the standard for objective morals. Without a source that transcends man and hold him accountable, morals become subjective. B Scott HagerAtheism is not a "belief", it's a lack of. It's not even a blanket statement for "god does not exist", it's more... "I have no evidence to believe there is." It's just a label Christians invented. Not nonbelievers. I also don't believe in pink unicorns because I have no reason(evidence) to believe that. Is that also a belief that we need to assign a name too? A Dale WickizerThat's a cop out and you know it. An agnostic asks for evidence. An atheist says there is no God...period. Please, give me your top 5 evidences for evolution that are not based on conjecture (which I could as easily label as delusion), and that have held up to scientific peer review. I have already listed two areas where it has been refuted: lack of evidence in the fossil record for macro evolution. Too much specified complexity in the biological world. BASED ON DARWIN'S OWN WORDS, HIS THEORY WOULD BREAK DOWN because of these two areas. B Scott HagerNo, an atheist ask for evidence. And agnostic just says "I don't know". No cop out to it. http://news.nationalgeographic.co.uk/news/2010/09/100901-science-animals-evolution-australia-lizard-skink-live-birth-eggs And there is no lack of evidence for macro evolution in the fossil record. lol A Dale WickizerOoh, I can do google searches and come up with random articles as well. Please give me YOUR top 5 reasons you BELIEVE in evolution. B Scott HagerI actually just posted this last week, somewhere else. I didn't have to actually google it. And it does not matter whether or not "I believe" in it. The facts remain the same regardless of what I "believe" or what Darwin believed. Science is not based on authority like the Bible. It is based on evidence. Which is falsifiable(unlike the Bible). You understand that without evolution, biology and earth science in general, does not work? Right? Are they all wrong? It's central, and accepted as fact throughout the "worldwide" scientific community. As hard as they work to disprove it, it only continues to get affirmed and reaffirmed through new observations. Only making it stronger. And if it ever did get dis-proven, we still wouldn't say "God did it", because again... what would that answer? We would either adjust the theory we have to explain new observations or we would scrap it and work on a new hypothesis. Religion just doesn't work that way. They will simple twist and turn to explain how their holy book is still relevant. How can you look at artificial selection and make the assumption that this does not happen on it's own in nature? (If you want something more on our time scale that we can actually see) What about vestigial organs? What about the Icefish? What about whale evolution? What about Sahelanthropus tchadensis, Ardipithecus ramidus, Australopithecus anamensis, Australopithecus afarensis, Kenyanthropus platyops, Australopithecus africanus, Australopithecus garhi, Australopithecus sediba, Australopithecus aethiopicus, Australopithecus robustus, Australopithecus boisei, Homo habilis, Homo georgicus,Homo erectus, Homo ergaster,Homo antecessor, Homo heidelbergensis, Homo neanderthalensis,Homo floresiensis, and Homo sapiens? B Scott HagerAnd yes, even though 80%+ of this countries population believes in God, it's the atheist screwing up the country. lol Hitler was not a freaking atheist. B Scott Hager"The sad thing in my opinion, to the shame of Christianity is that the majority of German Christians did nothing, making me question whether they were really Christians or not." No True Scotsman fallacy. A Dale WickizerThat's not an argument. No response required. B Scott HagerYou should have said that to yourself before you made the fallacious comment. lol A Dale WickizerSounds like a very nervous, self-defensive laugh to me. B Scott HagerWhy would I be nervous about your faulty comment? And how do you "hear" my writing? Sounds like a "another" red herring to me. A Dale WickizerPlease provide primary source references to support your claim. His own writings and historical accounts of the war I have read support mine. B Scott Hager"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."...."My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people."...."I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal."..."I thank Heaven that a portion of the memories of those days still remains with me. Woods and meadows were the battlefields on which the 'conflicts' which exist everywhere in life were decided."..."Thank the Lord, Germanic democracy means just this: that any old climber or moral slacker cannot rise by devious paths to govern his national comrades, but that, by the very greatness of the responsibility to be assumed, incompetents and weaklings are frightened of."..."For by employing religious force in the service of its political considerations, the crown aroused a spirit which at that outset it had not considered possible."..."the unprecedented rise of the Christian Social Party... was to assume the deepest significance for me as a classical object of study."..."Even less could I understand how the Christian Social Party at this same period could achieve such immense power. At that time it had just reached the apogee of its glory."..."But the power which has always started the greatest religious and political avalanches in history rolling has from time to immemorial been the magic of power of the spoken word, and that alone. Particularly the broad masses of the people can be moved only by the power of speech."..."The hard struggle which the Pan-Germans fought with the Catholic Church can be accounted for only by their insufficient understanding of the spiritual nature of the people."..."The root of the whole evil lay, particularly in Schonerer's opinion, in the fact that the directing body of the Catholic Church was not in Germany, and that for this very reason alone it was hostile to the interests of our nationality."..."As long as leadership from above was not lacking, the people fulfilled their duty and obligation overwhelmingly. Whether Protestant pastor or Catholic priest, both together and particularly at the first flare, there really existed in both camps but a single holy German Reich, for whose existence and future each man turned to his own heaven." I can continue, but do I really need to. Hitler also subscribed to other delusional, superstitious nonsense. But he was most certainly not an atheist. If anything, he believed in to many gods. A Dale WickizerPlease provide evidence or sound reasoning to support your claim that objective morals can exist, which ALL humans agree upon, without a transcendent moral law giver being the source of those. B Scott HagerYou mean any more than how the Bible keeps everyone from doing their own thing? B Scott HagerAnd we don't all agree that beating children or keeping slaves is a good thing. Among other vile crap in the Bible. Sorry to break it to you. A Dale WickizerThe Bible clearly defines moral laws for everyone. It also states that man's fallen nature causes him to turn away from God, to rebel and to violate those laws. Even Christians are not exempt from this as the two natures within them (human nature and divine nature) are at odds. If you read the Bible, as you stated in some earlier comments, since you were apparently raised in a Christian home, you know what I am saying is accurate. B Scott HagerYes, what you are saying is people are no different , even though the bible exist to tell them what is wrong. Yet you expect more from nature itself. lol We know that beating children is not the best way to correct behavior. We "know" this. All it really teaches them is that people deserve a good beating if they are doing what "you" consider wrong. To pass on to the next generation. Based on authority, not evidence. And again, we do not subscribe to keeping slaves or stoning people for impure thoughts. It's not right now, and it was wrong then. How hard is this? lol B Luis JimenezI believe that God or Gods were created by civilizations when natural phenomena was inexplicable. A product of our ignorance. A Haythem Hammourprove that there is no God... B AnonymousThere is a God, his name is Thor, isn't it. No, I'm sorry, it's Zeus. AnonymousStrike on, strike two ... another guess? B Scott HagerHorus B Lance OrtmannI think its Odin B Scott HagerOsiris AnonymousI always think that's interesting when people say that. They never say "prove their is air", "prove their is electricity", "prove their is gravity". The human body itself is proof their is a God. Look at Bible history and compare it's fulfillment in regards to the earth. Pick up any bible and turn to Psalms 83:18. B Scott HagerIf the human body is "proof", he did a lousy job. B Bekah PriceI'm going to take a deep breath, turn off the lights and not go flying off into space when I lay down in my bed. These were bad examples Anonymous. Cleft pallet comes to mind when thinking of god's perfect body creation. Why don't you pick up a grammar book and learn the proper use for "Their?" Take a stab at some nonfiction while you're at it. Sarah Palin's biography does not count. B Scott HagerThe burden of proof falls on the one making the claim that something exist. It's not our job to disprove it. It's yours to prove it. If you say there are pink unicorns, you need to provide evidence, not me. AnonymousWhat we experience now as humans was not how we were created. According to Revelation 21:3,4 if will not stay that way either. If you have read the entire Bible and still have these feelings then that is your choice God gave you your free will to believe or not. However if you haven't then I can't really respect your opinion. The answer is there in black and white, some people just don't want to take the responsibility that comes along with it. B Scott HagerI was raised as a Christian the first half of my life. In the south no less. I have read it many time since then. As well as other beliefs. Belief and behaviors are my two favorite subjects. Have you studied Horus? The book of the dead? You should if you want to know where Jesus came from. Have you studied Islam? Buddha? All the other religions around the world so that you know you really got the right one? And trying to prove God with the Bible is like trying to prove superman with a comic book. A Dale WickizerNo, I have not studied Horus. I have studied into Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam, Judaism, atheism and some minor investigations in other religions. B Scott Hager"Do not impose on others what you do not wish for yourself." Sound familiar? A Dale WickizerCome on, Scott. Quit playing rope a dope. There have been many convincing proofs provided in this discussion. Any one can sit back and say, "nope, not compelling enough for me." I doubt any amount of evidence or sound reasoning would be compelling to you. The word "A Theist" means "Not God" or "No God". Atheists believe there is no God. If you are an atheist, you are stating that you believe there is no God. The very label you give yourself is a claim. Prove it. B Scott HagerANY evidence would be "compelling" to me. lol, when ID get's some... get back to me. And there is no atheist I know who says there is "no" possibility of some kind of deity/god/whatever you want to call it. Even Dawkins doesn't say that.   It would be "unscientific". They are just atheist in reguards to your god. Just like you're an atheist in reguards to Horus. In fact, of the thousands of gods worshiped around the world, I only believe in one less god than you. That does not mean I reject any concept of a supreme being, just that I have no evidence for such to date, so I don't waste my time with it until someone presents something rational and provable. Bee Gonzalesalright,find him B Bruce BaldwinProve that the universe was not created by the flying spaghetti monster. The fact that no one can prove or disprove the existence of a god or the flying spaghetti monster is not a real reason to believe in either. You are an atheist for thousands of gods that humanity has worshipped, can you prove that any of them do not exist? Yet you do not believe in them because you grew up being told the Qur'an was the true word of a god. How did the adults who indoctrinated you know their god was true? They were taught the same thing by their parents and elders and this traces all the way back to guy who first said, take my word for it, I heard god's voice in my ear. Take my word for it the only true god is Zeus. Verily I say this to you, my holy word and holly book are true. That's all the "proof" there is for the existence of any god. B J TThe proof lies with you. Non believers do not need to prove the nonexistence of a deity. B Anonymousagreed! B Sudesh Narineyou prove there is a god. A Dale WickizerThere are several classical arguments for the existence of God:;- Moral argument: - If God does not exist, objective moral laws and duties do not exist; but we know that objective moral laws and duties to exist (there are things that are objectively good and evil); therefore, God exists. - Cosmological argument - Science has shown there was a "big bang". How can there have been a "big bang" without a "big banger"? How could everything come from nothing? ("Ex nihilo nihio fit".) - Teleological argument - too much specified complexity for life to have come into existence by random processes. - Casual argument - every effect has a cause. Work backward and to avoid infinite regression, there has to be an uncaused cause. That is God, who is eternally existent. B Scott HagerObjective morals exist without a creator. Cooperation within a species makes life easier all around for all involved. Cosmological? Where did God come from? Always has been, always will be? Why can''t the universe on it's own? To much complexity? Evolution explains this fine. Random mutations do not equal a random process. A Dale WickizerOK, you have made claims, not proofs. Please provide evidence for your claims. I am willing to be convinced by sound reasoning and evidence. In fact, evolution cannot explain the specified complexity we see. Darwin's ability to see into the cell during his time was very limited. He believed that what he would see would be so simple, that the building blocks for these cells could be explained through natural processes. The opposite has proven to be true. The deeper we dive into the cell, we find it to be more complex than we ever imagined. The structure of DNA and messenger RNA is full of something Darwin never counted on: information (a complex digital code). This is a complex computer program, orders of magnitude more complex than we have ever written. However, we do know this: computer programs come from computer programmers. Only an Intelligent Mind could have produced the specified complexity we see in DNA/RNA and the nano machines they drive within the cell. B Scott HagerYou only see the final result. It is not too "complex". That is just reflects your ignorance to evolution and inability(or unwillingness) to comprehend billions of years of evolution. Just trying to comprehend how long billions of years actually is, is hard enough on it's own since you only have a short 100 year(at most) baseline for context. Here, from a Christian scientist... http://bms.brown.edu/faculty/m/kmiller/ A Dale WickizerI can assure you that as an engineer who has studied and worked in several fields of engineering, I have a a very good grip on scientific theory and on evolution. The scientific study of origins is quite gnarly, because the transient conditions that occurred during the "big bang", may be little resemblance to the steady state conditions we see now. However, none of those studies answer fundamental questions, like how did everything after the "big bang" come from nothing? I don't care how far back one imagines, evolution doesn't answer that. Also, random, mindless processes, do not result in complex, orderly structures. The 2nd law of thermodynamics tells us that (the Law of Entropy). Might I challenge you to read Signature in the Cell by Dr. Stephen Meyer. It is the most complete and even handed discussion of this topic I have seen. I will also check into the link you sent. Thank you for sharing that. B Scott HagerGee, it just so happens I am a Land Surveyor. So what? lol, We are pattern seeking animals, which is why we see faces on Mars and Jesus on grilled cheese sandwiches(lol). You understand why, right? And from an engineering point of view, the human body is flawed in many ways. Because it did evolve through the process of natural selection. And the second law applies to closed systems with no energy input. Does not apply to earth. What does saying "God made the big bang" tell us? Oh yeah, nothing. I've read Myers before. Creationist do not impress me. How many peer reviewed papers have been published on ID? And please do not tell me it's a worldwide conspiracy by scientist. ID is a failed hypothesis to date and will remain so until they actually start doing their own research. All they like to do is point at others. It's not a theory. Except in the minds of creationist. B Scott HagerKen Miller on Intelligent Design http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVRsWAjvQSg A Dale WickizerBen Stein on ID: "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed". B Scott HagerPuke, and I should know, I've seen it more than once. Propaganda from an economist vs a lecture from the biologist who writes the biology text books. hmmmm, decisions decisions. A Dale WickizerDr. Dean Kenyon, who has refuted his own ground breaking work on chemical evolution in favor of ID. Dr. David Berlinski on the ridiculousness of Darwin's theory of evolution and who supports ID.  Anthony Flew, one of the most famous atheists of the 20th century, who recently changed his stance and wrote a book "There Is A God." http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/17/arts/17flew.html. B Scott HagerBerlinski shares the movement's disbelief in the evidence for evolution, but does not openly avow intelligent design and describes his relationship with the idea as: "warm but distant. It's the same attitude that I display in public toward my ex-wives." http://www.slate.com/id/2189178/entry/2189179/ And how did Dr Kenyon fair in court? lol Oh, that's right... he got his ass handed to him by Ken Miller. You know they had a big controversy about the "fellows" listed on DI's website. They had a lot of people listed on their that didn't even know they were listed. And again, how much "independent" research have they done on their own? As opposed to all that they actually do... look for a hole(in others research) to exploit with God? And what does Anthony Flew have to do with it? That just takes us back to authority, not evidence. Bee Gonzalesrite A Dee LaneyInstead of focusing on the how, we really should be looking at the why. If you believe in God, you realize He not only created science, but life itself. He is bigger than what our minds can ever understand, better than what we can imagine and far greater than we can dream of. The question then, is not how was it all created, but why was it created? What is our purpose? Why are we here? When you start asking the why, you delve into what really matters. AnonymousThose who hold the materialisitc world view can't justify a belief in purpose. Purpose requires intent and intent requires a being. A car's purpose is to transport people (purpose) ... that is what it was designed (intent) to do by the designer(being). This is why intelligent desing is so contriversial, it attempts to use science to look for things in nature that appear to have purpose ... B Scott HagerWhy does there have to be a purpose? A Anonymousdude get it through your thick thing you call a head GOD IS REAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AnonymousThanks Dee you are so right!!! AnonymousOur existence in this world is just a test. We are being tested so god can place us in appropriate places according to how we do in our life. If you are good you get to spend eternity with god while if you were bad you will go to hell and burn forever. This life is our chance to do everything god tells us so that he will accept us. B Scott HagerAnd this is why the religious care more about saving human souls than actual human lives. Which I do not see as a good thing. B Bea KrysztoI'm a Catholic and I believe in God, but I do believe science and God are exclusive of one another.. He did not create the Universe nor did He create Humanity. God is an all-mighty Entity, which was spiritually created and chosen by People to be the answer and explanation to everything they couldn't explain at the time. Now that science has most of the answers, He still is the same God but in a different sense.. not scientific but more spiritual. A Dale WickizerIf you are a Catholic, you need to read your Bible. AnonymousAgreed. If you have the courage to do so, read Hebrews 3:4, Revelation 4:11, Colossians 1;16, Ephesians 2:10 and I could go on and on... B Scott HagerJoshua 10:12-13 The sun doesn't move, so it can't be halted., 1 Chronicles 16:30, Psalms 93:1, Psalms 96:10, The earth does move, Job 28:24 The earth is round, not flat. So you cannot see it all from any one given point. A Dale WickizerMany of these passages talk in phenomenological language. We know the earth rotates on its axis, but from our perspective, the sun can be described as rising in the east and setting in the west. Do you call up and complain to your local weather channel as every day they continue to provide times for sunrise and sunset? If the evidence points to a transcendent Being who created all we see, which it does, then I have no problem trusting in the fact that the Being in question has the power to stop or slow the earth from spinning on its axis to provide a 36 hour day, as in the account told in the book of Joshua. B Scott HagerHe told the sun to stop, not the earth. They had no idea it was the other way around until Galileo later told them, at which point he was put under house arrested for the remainder of his life. lol, only because he was so well known or they would have killed him. But hey, at least they apologized... almost four centuries later. A Michael Shane SoferEnlightenment to God and the awareness of the Almighty in the creation, IS THE RESURRECTION OF PASSING FROM DEATH (confinement in the box called life) to the understanding that LIFE and all that it is (is infinite) out side the BOX. What scientists, like hawking, have to offer the public, is more of the same old theories that leave humanity in a box of existence and thus, not conjoining the creation with its Creator to broaden the horizons and awareness of life. We come into life in a BOX and if, through false teaching and theories, we are left to believe that life is only in a box with no way out. We remain dead while we yet live, separated from God in that fallen condition having resulted from a false perception of life, as recorded, from the beginning in (Genesis) . Please, if you haven't already considered my thesis on this subject, do so: Jerusalem2010.com A AnonymousAll science does is hide the healing of God. They found the bodys of pharo and his army in the red sea which proves he exist and God led the israelites out of egypt. All sciecne has is theories and ideas. Hawkings has money so he dosent think he needs God.... thats why the devil gave him money to write nonsecne. but really deep down insdie he does need God and im sure he has prayed before, even atheist have prayed before. you know why? because thats how God designed you, its in your blood to pray. All this needs to stop! it looks like our country is forgetting God everyday and now they play this stuff on the news all the time to make people disbelieve Gods word. But you know what this just shows more truth to Gods words and the signs of the coming of the Lord Jesus christ! so I am not worried.. and remember science cannot prove the bible but the bible can prove science ;) God bless Chris FlemingComments like this are why you posted anonymous. Christians hiding behind this god lol. A Dale WickizerWell, I'm Christian and this is not anonymous. I have to say, I am not sure what your religious persuasion is, but if you are an atheist, you have much stronger "faith" than I do. It took a lot of reasoning and and study on my part, to be convinced that the Christian worldview best explains the reality around us, especially the true nature of mankind. But I don't have your faith: If you are an atheist, you believe we came from time + slime + chance. You believe we are born in insignificance, and we die in insignificance and somewhere in the middle we somehow become significant? You have no objective basis for truth, or good or evil. So, I admire your faith! B Scott HagerThere is nothing in my life I need "faith" for, I can assure you. Faith is for the religious who take authority over evidence. A AnonymousSo when you're left behind because there was nothing in your life you needed faith for I wonder what real smart remarks you'll be making then. I will pray for you all though I'm sure YOU don't need it or want it.No need to reply you have nothing important enough to say so don't waste your time or mine wasted time already!!!!!! B Scott HagerIf all the delusional people are being swooped up by Jeebus, then please leave me behind. I want to spend eternity with the fun people. A Dale WickizerActually, you can't live 24 hours without exhibiting faith in someone or something. Faith is trust, not wishing. For example, you don't think twice about sitting down in the chair you are in. You believe and trust it will hold your weight. You get into an elevator believing it will carry you to the proper floor, and probably hoping the cable doesn't break and send you plummeting to your death. Each of us is a breath and heartbeat away from death, yet (unless you have a heart problem), you don't consider the beating of your heart. You just assume (trust) that it will beat. No, Scott, you and everyone else live daily lives in faith. B Scott HagerNo, I base trust on experience and evidence. I know everything will work as it should unless it malfunctions. If it does, I don't have faith god will fix it. Faith is not a good thing, unless you are just irrationally stressed and need the delusion to distract you. I need no faith. A Dale WickizerMy point is that faith = trust. You have mischaracterized it as wishing and delusion. Atheists, such as yourself, can be deluded just like anyone else. There is a non-material dimension to man. The part that cries out for meaning and significance; the part that cries out to know one's purpose. One can try to fill that void with all sorts of materialistic pursuits, but none of those things ever satisfy. You have seen it yourself I'm sure. How you strive for something with all your might, achieve it, only to be disillusioned and depressed shortly afterward. Is that all there is to it? B Scott HagerNo, faith=no evidence. I don't put my "trust' in anything I don't first have good evidence for. You can try to twist it however you want. I have "faith" in nothing. Maybe I should have said "placebo effect" instead of delusion. And I have no "void". Thanks for asking. My life is full, but simple. I'm only materialist in my need for evidence, not in the possessions I own or buy to fill a "void". B Scott HagerAnd why does there have to be a underlining meaning or purpose? B Eric HarquailYou are truly delusional, and prayer to non existent deities are the ultimate INACTION Chris FlemingAmen LMAO!!!!! AnonymousI feel non belief in God is an empty existence. You have no answers to anything just analogies and no real hope. You don't have to believe in God but if you know any history at all you'd know that everything in the Bible has been fulfilled and is being fulfilled. Read 2 Timothy 3, you may be quite suprised. B Scott HagerNot believing in your invisible sky daddy makes my existence empty? Do you understand how horoscopes work? or do you believe in astrology too? Same thing. You have "answers", even if they are just subjective interpretations of vague prophecies. lol My evidence for how the world works is hardly vague. And is actual scientific "evidence". Not the ramblings of 2,000 year old sheep herders who ripped off stories from earlier pagan religions. A Bob WannIsn't it convenient that God doesn't ask Stephen Hawking for his opinion (nor does He need it), no offense!! Hawking may be a brilliant scientist but it is the height of arrogance for any intelligent human to believe that God didn't create the universe! Some of the most respected scientists believed in God--Sir Issac Newton is a good beginning! Yes, God created the universe (cf. Gen. 1-3). B Scott HagerSo? Science isn't about authority like religion. It's about evidence. Period. Nor is it arrogant in any way to say we do not need to invoke deities to explan how anything works. Because saying "God did it!" answers nothing. A Anonymousyou answer nothing B Bruce BaldwinIn Newton's time virtually nothing was known about cosmology, light, energy, the big bang, evolution, relativity, the earth's geology, quantum mechanics and the modern science that falsifies biblical revelation. Newton was undeniably brilliant yet he wasted a considerable amount of time trying to transmute common metals into gold - yes Newton the brilliant scientist was also a fool of an alchemist - science simply hadn't advanced far enough in the area of atomic structure for Newton to have known any better. The same is true about his belief in a grand designer of the universe - he simply didn't know any better. Virtually all of today's top scientists do. B Joe Martinezscience has an answer for nearly everything, that can be proven, seen, touched, felt, smelled, etc... ive never turned over a rock in the mountains or desert that read 'made by god' !!! A Haythem Hammourlet science explane this, "Well i do believe that God created all this, and the prove for this in my religion was very cristal clear. before 1400 years, it described in details stages of a Fetus in the womb of his mother. from where he got a microscope or the means to know that 1400 years back then. also describing the Ocean layers before even inventing the submarine. i rest assured that god is there, i just wish forgiveness for the sins that i have done in life. " AnonymousScience only proves that their is a God. B Scott HagerHow? B J TScience proves no such thing. George DivineGod is Love let Hawking explain LOVE !!!! B Sudesh NarineLOVE: 1.you see a nice girl. 2. you lie to her and fool her.3.She fell for all your lies and said she loves you. 4 you both get married then beat the shit out of her for years and then probably kill her. THATS WHAT YOU CALL LOVE= GOD THATS YOUR MORALS THAT RELIGION GIVE YOU. A Dale WickizerNo: that's lust. Love is the son of God, sinless in nature, but compassionately willing to die for people like you, so that God's wrath, which hangs over all of mankind, would be turned aside. So, that people like you and me might have a snowball's chance at amnesty from the wrath of God, which we deserve, and have hope to share in His kingdom and in close relationship with the Father, Son and Holy Spirit ... an eternal community that has existed before time and space came into being. B Scott HagerHow loving of him to give us a "snowball's chance" for something done before we existed. I'm getting the warm fuzzies all over. Anonymous1John 4:8-10 "He that does not love has not come to know God, because God is love. By this the love of God was made manifest in our case, because God sent forth his only-begotten Son into the world the we might gain life through him. The love is in this respect, not that we have loved God, but that he loved us and sent forth his Son as a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins." B Scott HagerOxytocin. That was hard. A Haythem HammourWell i do believe that God created all this, and the prove for this in my religion was very cristal clear. before 1400 years, it described in details stages of a Fetus in the womb of his mother. from where he got a microscope or the means to know that 1400 years back then. also describing the Ocean layers before even inventing the submarine. i rest assured that god is there, i just wish forgiveness for the sins that i have done in life. B Bruce BaldwinIn the Qur'an Muhammad said that a child will resemble his father if he discharges first during intercourse and his mother if she discharges first. What scientific garbage! In a book as long and rambling as the Qur'an any fool could find an occasionally correct sounding prediction of a scientific fact. What forever disproves the scientific validity of the Qur'an is the scientific nonsense it contains. Want a list? Search the skeptics bible on google and click on the Qur'an. It's just a full of crap as the bible. B Zach ShafferAs Hawking stated - Science will win because it works. It's well known that Darwin took God out of Biology, but Physics and Cosmology have always been far more elusive: At least until now. As an Atheist and Scientifically literate individual - I think toting the book as a "God killer" is nothing more than publishing politics. Besides anyone with a semi-functioning brain should understand the concept of God is too provincial when you look at the infinite scale of the Cosmos. M-Theory is still exactly that: a theory - and there is much work to be done, but at least Science IS doing the work, and we have no doubt arrived at the point where Science can now start answering the questions that were primarily the realm of Theology and Philosophy. Just as our Oceans are destined to leave the Earth eventually, Science will continue to mature and inevitably evaporate Religion completely. It's simply an issue of time. A Haythem HammourScience is an act of God, it's not science vs. god... explane to me a guy who lived 1400 years ago knows about today's discoveries? coincidence? levels of the oceans without being able to have a submarine? what's inside the our body without being able to have a microscope? B Scott HagerDon't talk about it, be about it. Why did you post this twice instead of just posting your evidence? Explain to me. lol AnonymousHow do you explain the fact that electrons in your brain governed only by the laws of science lead you to an understanding of logic? If the electrons in your brain are purely goverened by scientific laws and these produce thoughts, your thoughs are the result of scientific laws and hence there is no reason that your thoughts represent anything but static. An age old arguement from philosophy that can not be addressed by a materialitic/scientific world view. B Scott HagerDistributed knowledge. B Tamara EscuderoReligion was created by primative humans who had no explanation for the wonders of life. It is a superstition that time and education should have eradicated by now. So much for evolution of the human mind. Chris FlemingCompletely agree. A Dale WickizerJust like today: All evidence points to Intelligent Design as the only credible thing that explains the specified complexity that science has observed, but scientists refuse to go there because of the moral implications that truth has on their lives. So, instead they go to their new "god" called "chance". "Everything was created by chance," they boldly explain. How insipid! Chance has no being, therefore, chance has no agency nor causality. It is merely a coverup word to wall paper over things to complex for them to explain. They have checked their brains at the door. B Scott HagerEvolution explains it just fine. No "Intelligent Designer" needed. Random mutations do not mean the process of natural selection is "chance". Is that too complex for you? Chris FlemingAbsolutely not! God is a man made being, to try to explain the meaning of everything. The Universe has been here and will be here long after man is gone. Science can explain alot more than silly christians running around looking for an easy answer to their existance. People cannot continue to be brainwashed by christianity, instead lets find the real answers of how we came to be, and how the Universe was made. Thank you Mr. Hawking for trying to set people straight. AnonymousWhy do we even care how we came to be? Does a rock care about it's composition? Does Euler's equation care? A Dale WickizerReally? "Chance" is the "god" atheistic scientists trot out to try and explain things they don't understand. Early science grew out of the desire to better understand the Creator through his creation. Many of the early and now famous scientists, responsible for the foundational mathematical and scientific truths we depend upon today were Christians: Newton, Kepler, Copernicus, Galileo, Leibniz, Pascal, etc. The Christian worldview has more scientific evidence (archeology is a science as well, by the way) and is the best explanation of the reality around us, cosmologically, teleologically, ontologically and morally than any other worldview. It has the best explanation of the nature of man (good and evil, capable of both nobility and vulgarity). His dignity comes from the fact he was made in the image of God, not by slime +time + chance. You want some real answers, pick up a Bible and start reading it. Hawking is a brilliant man, but he speaking about things beyond his intelligence in this case and is wrong. B Scott HagerYes, because they would be locked up or killed if they weren't. lol Kate SextonUntil people accept that they are personally responsible for their actions and that their lack of morals cannot be forgiven by some invisible being, the world cannot move forward. I haven't believed in god since I was 10 years old and started reading. What a concept - education as an answer to mysticism. AnonymousMorals ... what scientific experiment determines morality; what mathematical equation? You can't deny a moral law giver (God) and then explain where they came from. B Tamara EscuderoSo, humans are idiots who could not be moral without a god to tell us how? Explain the morality of labeling women unclean, sacrifices (lambs and Jesus), and stoning so-called sinners. Morality is much of he time relative to one's perceptions. We do not accept child whipping or wife beating today, and religion and god did not change our views regarding these acts. Modern enlightenment did. B Scott HagerSurvival. B J TMorality is the natural occurrence of altruism. It is not the hand of god that makes humans good. It is in our genetic makeup that drives our species to care for each other so that we do not die out. It is evolution through the slow process of natural selection that brings us and every living thing to its present state today. Daniel PowellThe reasoning behind why god created the Universe is just as, if not more flawed, than why he did. The argument against god may be lacking in its explanation of how something came from nothing via its lack of precise reasoning, but the fact the God came from nothing (an often undisputed predicament)adds just one more variable to deal with. B Sudesh NarineIf god created the universe who/what created god. If nothing cannot create something then the same goes for god. The universe has always been there but in a different form of matter. Matter cannot be created or destroy. Anonymous1. No religion claims that God was created. 2. You don't need to know who created God to reason that a God like being created the universe. 3. Aristolte answered your question. God is without cause by definition. God is the first cause. Google William Lane Craig's work on The Kalam Cosmological Argument for analysis of the options. B Sudesh NarineI am claiming that god had to be created from something. He, she or it cannot come from nothing. A Dale WickizerActually, that is a false premise. Even early non-Christian philosophers believed in the "uncaused cause". One cannot have an infinite regression of causality. At some point, there has to be an uncaused cause. That is uncaused cause is God. He is a separate order of being. Even the universe has been shown scientifically to have had a beginning. They use the "big bang" to euphemistically explain how everything came into being. However, everything could not have come into being out of NO THING. To have a "big bang", there had to be a "big banger", who is transcendent (who lives outside of time and space). B Scott HagerThe "known" universe. A Dale WickizerOh, you have evidence for an unknown universe. By all means, please share it with the rest of us. B Scott HagerNo, I am aware that we only have "knowledge" of the "Known" universe. Not what exist outside it. lol, we have only ventured so far out in space. That's why it's referred to as "known". Bee Gonzalestouche B AnonymousToday I saw the Hubble 3D Imax movie at the Kennedy Space Center...seeing that, with all the info going back millions of years, I would have to say that God had very little to do with our present situation. AnonymousI saw the same thing and came to the opposite conclusion. B AnonymousYou, like the Kennedy Space Center, are likely situated below the Mason Dixon Line. It expains so much! Kir-b JenkinsIf God did create the universe with His omnipotence, He sure is doing a poor job defending His creation. AnonymousCould you be more vauge? Kir-b JenkinsVauge you say? What has God, our God, said about this in the last five hundred years? Nothing or nothingness? AnonymousYawn ... have a science question, ask a scientist; have a philosphy question ask a philosopher. Scientists playing armchair philosopher is insulting and misleading to the general public. For example "things come and go from nothing" ... William Lang Craig answered this a long time ago ... "[These] particles do not come into being out of nothing. They arise as spontaneous fluctuations of the energy contained in the sub-atomic vacuum...Popular magazine articles touting such theories as getting 'something from nothing' simply do not understand that the vacuum is not nothing but is a sea of fluctuating energy endowed with a rich structure and subject to physical laws." B AnonymousB AnonymousKir-b JenkinsWould omnipotence be quite for so long? Secondly, God having created the universe then why is there any unknown? Beverly MillerI believe that those who came before us were not able to be understood by early man and thus said civilizations' travelers who "came from the heavens" were called gods -- much like the Allied troops were worshiped and thatch airplanes built to try to bring them back after they completed their mission. We are able to begin to understand the Universe and the possibility of alternate nebulae...Gupta's description of the formless mind of nothingness, also called the concept of the universal creative energy/spirit, is right on. I have come to believe we are all part thereof. I applaud Dr Hawking for opening this debate based upon intellect. I do not believe he is denying this spiritual option: it remains a question as to what created the nothingness (which does not exist in reality...the fabric of space/time and the plasma ). A Dale WickizerOK, suppose you are correct for a moment and we came from aliens to traveled here a long time ago. Where did they come from? How did they come into existence? You're just pushing off the problem. B Scott HagerJust like you do with God. lol A Dale WickizerI don't push off anything. God is the uncaused cause or the First Cause. B Scott Hager*Facepalm* Kir-b JenkinsWho told you that? B Sudesh Narinelet me help her... religion and that's all religion has ever done for the human society. A Dale WickizerPsalm 19:1-4: "1 The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. 2 Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge. 3 There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard. [a] 4 Their voice [b] goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world." This is pretty self-evident: look up in the sky on a starry night. That little feeling of awe you get in your heart. You know these words are true. And the rest of the story: Rom 1:18-32: "18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. 21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles. 24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen. 26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. 28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them." AnonymousPeople NOT applying what's in the Bible has messed up the world not God. B Scott HagerIs seems more like people doing what their holy books tell them is has messed up the world. A Dale WickizerProve your claim. Red Cross? Chrisitan in origin. Universities in America prior to 1869? All Christian. Early health care (before insurance companies turned it topsy turvy): Christian. Let's see, atheist philosophy: 130 million dead in the 20th century alone (more than all other religious groups combined). B Scott HagerHow many people have been killed in the name of religion? Realistically. And let's not go back to Hitler the Catholic again. lol A Dale WickizerThe point of this is not a body count by belief system, atheistic or otherwise. Religion has been "demonized" by atheist as the cause of all suffering, saying if we could be free of religion, there would not be the pain and suffering. That's bunk. More people have been killed by atheistic philosophy than any theistic philosophy. What we are seeing is something endemic to human nature, not on religious or non-religious philosophy. This is a human problem. How much more do you think humans have to "evolve" before this problem is solved? How much have they "evolved" in the past thousands of years? B Scott HagerIt has been a cause of suffering. The crusades? The Dark Ages? Spanish Inquisition? Witch burnings? Slavery? Twin towers? The holy land? Civil rights since the beginning of time have been fought against, and still are, by the religious. And show me one person who killed in the name of atheism and stated that as their reason? Like the religious do on a regular basis. We will evolve our beliefs when we let go of ancient myths and start living in reality. AnonymousWCG - It is Little Brother looking out for my big brother ... go to linkedin invite ... Kir-b JenkinsFather, what Has God recently said on these issues? B Scott Hager" " |
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Why do science and God have to be exclusive of one another? I believe that God created science and set the universe into a well-organized, intelligent motion. Too many Christians put God into a box when they don't consider this possibility, and too many scientists are just full of themselves by thinking that we humans have all of the answers.